Comments on: Anti-Asian Bias in College Admissions?: Part 1 – An improper comparison http://www.reappropriate.com/2009/10/14/anti-asian-bias-in-college-admissions-part-1-an-improper-comparison/ Words of an Asian American feminist Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:14:56 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: More on Anti-Asian Bias « reappropriate http://www.reappropriate.com/2009/10/14/anti-asian-bias-in-college-admissions-part-1-an-improper-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-2337 More on Anti-Asian Bias « reappropriate Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:03:44 +0000 http://www.reappropriate.com/?p=90#comment-2337 [...] article draws on Espenshade’s study, which I reviewed last year, and which can lead to an oversimplification (dare I say “white-washing) of the situation. At [...] [...] article draws on Espenshade’s study, which I reviewed last year, and which can lead to an oversimplification (dare I say “white-washing) of the situation. At [...]

]]> By: Sabrina http://www.reappropriate.com/2009/10/14/anti-asian-bias-in-college-admissions-part-1-an-improper-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-1683 Sabrina Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:04:10 +0000 http://www.reappropriate.com/?p=90#comment-1683 Are different regions within Asia compared too? I was under the impression that the geographical area that draws who is compared to who is not as large as a continent. More simply, would an Indian be compared with a Philippino or is it more likely that the Indian will be compared with a Sri Lankan and a Philippino with a Korean? OR are individuals compared on a national level? Are different regions within Asia compared too? I was under the impression that the geographical area that draws who is compared to who is not as large as a continent.
More simply, would an Indian be compared with a Philippino or is it more likely that the Indian will be compared with a Sri Lankan and a Philippino with a Korean? OR are individuals compared on a national level?

]]> By: Affirmative Action Revisited « reappropriate http://www.reappropriate.com/2009/10/14/anti-asian-bias-in-college-admissions-part-1-an-improper-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-892 Affirmative Action Revisited « reappropriate Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:54:24 +0000 http://www.reappropriate.com/?p=90#comment-892 [...] Bias in College Admissions? Part I and Part [...] [...] Bias in College Admissions? Part I and Part [...]

]]> By: Restructure! http://www.reappropriate.com/2009/10/14/anti-asian-bias-in-college-admissions-part-1-an-improper-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-551 Restructure! Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:06:38 +0000 http://www.reappropriate.com/?p=90#comment-551 Thanks. I didn't know Excel 2007 graphs looked very clean like that. Thanks. I didn’t know Excel 2007 graphs looked very clean like that.

]]> By: Jenn http://www.reappropriate.com/2009/10/14/anti-asian-bias-in-college-admissions-part-1-an-improper-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-499 Jenn Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:12:08 +0000 http://www.reappropriate.com/?p=90#comment-499 I made the graphs in Excel 2007, and exported them as .jpegs into my image editor. I made the graphs in Excel 2007, and exported them as .jpegs into my image editor.

]]> By: Restructure! http://www.reappropriate.com/2009/10/14/anti-asian-bias-in-college-admissions-part-1-an-improper-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-443 Restructure! Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:37:36 +0000 http://www.reappropriate.com/?p=90#comment-443 Also, what software did you use to make the graphs? Also, what software did you use to make the graphs?

]]> By: Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » Open thread and link farm (John Williams edition) http://www.reappropriate.com/2009/10/14/anti-asian-bias-in-college-admissions-part-1-an-improper-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-144 Alas, a blog » Blog Archive » Open thread and link farm (John Williams edition) Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:33:38 +0000 http://www.reappropriate.com/?p=90#comment-144 [...] examines anti-Asian bias in college admissions: Part 1, Part 2. While you’re there, check out the spiffy new superhero-themed blog [...] [...] examines anti-Asian bias in college admissions: Part 1, Part 2. While you’re there, check out the spiffy new superhero-themed blog [...]

]]> By: Keith http://www.reappropriate.com/2009/10/14/anti-asian-bias-in-college-admissions-part-1-an-improper-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-100 Keith Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:43:11 +0000 http://www.reappropriate.com/?p=90#comment-100 His findings are too superficial for my taste. His findings are too superficial for my taste.

]]> By: Jenn http://www.reappropriate.com/2009/10/14/anti-asian-bias-in-college-admissions-part-1-an-improper-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-95 Jenn Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:12:18 +0000 http://www.reappropriate.com/?p=90#comment-95 Keith, I think the fact that admissions boards don't break down their racial categories beyond large umbrella terms does mean that upper-class Blacks have an advantage in college admissions compared to middle-class or lower-middle class Blacks. Right now, upper-class Blacks tend to be immigrants, because the immigration process naturally biases the incoming population towards being wealthier... that does mean that non-immigrant Blacks -- many of whom come from middle-class or lower-middle class backgrounds -- are (in a sense) "competing" against upper-class Blacks who remain beneficiaries of affirmative action via race (although not via class). Because upper-class applicants have better access to preparatory and "breadth" opportunities, their applications are likely to appear better to admissions boards. That being said, Espenshade's data suggests that a majority of Blacks accepted into college are still fourth-generation or higher American. We don't have multiple timepoints to consider so we don't know whether the trend is increasing, decreasing, or staying the same over time. http://www.nacacnet.org/EventsTraining/NC10/Baltimore/educational/Documents/C313.pdf He breaks it down into "descendent" and "non-descendent" although it's not clear what the distinctions are between those two categories. Keith, I think the fact that admissions boards don’t break down their racial categories beyond large umbrella terms does mean that upper-class Blacks have an advantage in college admissions compared to middle-class or lower-middle class Blacks. Right now, upper-class Blacks tend to be immigrants, because the immigration process naturally biases the incoming population towards being wealthier… that does mean that non-immigrant Blacks — many of whom come from middle-class or lower-middle class backgrounds — are (in a sense) “competing” against upper-class Blacks who remain beneficiaries of affirmative action via race (although not via class). Because upper-class applicants have better access to preparatory and “breadth” opportunities, their applications are likely to appear better to admissions boards.

That being said, Espenshade’s data suggests that a majority of Blacks accepted into college are still fourth-generation or higher American. We don’t have multiple timepoints to consider so we don’t know whether the trend is increasing, decreasing, or staying the same over time.

http://www.nacacnet.org/EventsTraining/NC10/Baltimore/educational/Documents/C313.pdf

He breaks it down into “descendent” and “non-descendent” although it’s not clear what the distinctions are between those two categories.

]]> By: Keith http://www.reappropriate.com/2009/10/14/anti-asian-bias-in-college-admissions-part-1-an-improper-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-87 Keith Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:09:47 +0000 http://www.reappropriate.com/?p=90#comment-87 As you mentioned class and access to a good education plays a large role in the reason why upper class Asian Americans competing with other upper class Asian American have a hard time getting into Private institutions. But could the same be said for upper class Blacks even blacks of Caribbean and African decent as well and upper class Latinos? As you mentioned class and access to a good education plays a large role in the reason why upper class Asian Americans competing with other upper class Asian American have a hard time getting into Private institutions. But could the same be said for upper class Blacks even blacks of Caribbean and African decent as well and upper class Latinos?

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